E11: An interview with Mike Hawkes

From Tandy Radioshack to nuclear submarines, this episode traces an extraordinary journey through the intersections of technology, curiosity, and courage.

Mark and Howard talk with Mike Hawkes, a technologist, inventor, and pioneer of secure digital systems whose career began in fixing computers in a local store and ended up influencing the security architecture behind global online transactions that we all use. 

This is a very human story, with ebbs and flows of good and bad. Innovation, hardwork and opportunity, but also cybercrime, litigation and loss.